Erik’s Metadata talk

October 31, 2007

Erik’s starting slide
Originally uploaded by openlearn2007

Erik is up and mentioning the number of times he has mentioned open on his title of his paper but thinks it balances it out with the number of authors he has.

He’s talking about open learn materials is a big thing in Latin America, China and Korea and that in Chile there were two conferences on it recently.

This is the philosophy of most people:
Open = removing barriers

He thinks we should refrain from thinking what people should do with these materials and feels as it should have a “build it and they’ll come” kind of flavour as he is concerned right now of removing the barriers.

Problem of removing barriers:
Someone says time (sounds like Steve), Grainne says it is difficult, Andrew says the language issues, some guy said about the legal issues.

So, Erik is talking about the legal (can’t change it), findability ( don’t know it exists and can’t find it .. or find it back), can’t keep up (too much hassle, not part of my workflow)

He’s onto the legal stuff now … and he says most people are thinking that creative commons is the solution to this …

Creative commons is simple, good enough but also works in court … and better yet if you use his slides without attributing it to him he could see you in court … probably in Dutch :).

He thinks us as educators are way too passive we should be more aggressive assertive – he doesn’t think he shouldn’t ask any permission to use anything if it is for an education purpose. He is giving an example of showing the Eiffel tower is no problem if he takes the students to see it … and should be the same for using a poem (I think he was saying Baudelair ??) …

We should be stronger in the position and should be continued to be allowed to use these materials for education.

He’s moving onto findability now: … for example never using SCORM material because never heard of it or never been able to find it … and he thinks the answer has to be metadata!!!

There is 1484.12.1 IEEE standard for learning object metadata – he is saying that people might hate him for it for making sure there is metadata since he reads our blogs! (That’s openness for you).

He is talking about the Ariadne foundation ( and is talking about globe now which is a network of repositories … which includes Ariadne,, LORNET, MERLOT, LACL, KERIS, COSL etc., Europen School Network.

He’s moving onto his open metadata and open services … he thinks that every piece of metadata is precious … he thinks it would be better if there was one standard of metadata – but having several is better than none

Not sure what the metadata standard are but he is mentioning something called LOM, DC, MPEG, METS and VCARD …

He’s mentioning something about youtube and slideshare – perhaps how to metadata these things – he is saying that the highest amount of metadata is probably from Google – he is saying that Google thrives on metadata (he is explaining this because someone says that Google doesn’t use metadata – but is saying that it does – but has a wider range of metadata than most people).

He is calling himself a meta-person who lives in meta-universe.

Ok … he’s looking at protocols now: SQL, SRW, PLQL, CQL, OAI-PMH (have no idea what these are – he just checked to see how many people knew like more than one – and there were hardly anyone!).

He says he also does screen-scraping and sometimes they are pushed out because people think they are spybots – but he said someone was telling him over lunch he should try servers over in Russia since they’re able to this better (??).

He is talking about a project called MACE and the architectural infrastructure to harvest the metadata through ariadne. He is looking at harvested, attention, context, user management, domain and competence metadata – this helps in web services, federated search and user management … he thinks that these metadata always bring up issues of privacy particularly here in the UK which he thinks it is pretty strange since the UK has CCTV everywhere.

He is now showing us a slide of all the repositories (a flow chart diagram) of all the metadags and the databases. So, there are several functional layers: content, web services, metadata, tools, and services. He is saying he would like to get into our Microsoft Office environment so, he can gather the metadata from it – although he says they have a tool to do this already (I think).

Ok, talking about some architectures (was he talking before about architects rather than architectural infrastructure with respect to database structures– these words are getting confusing!) – and how people can search for architectural structures via the metadata and get the pictures for it.

He’s talking about something called SAMGI (Simple Automatic Metadata generator interface – which can automatically get your metadata.

Ok, now he is unto the “can’t keep up – too much hassle” bit. He’s talking about people not wanted to put in metadata no matter how much you say it is a good thing … because it is just takes too much time.

He is talking about, in which by using metadata, one can get much better results. Blip tv allows you to put it in as creative commons immediately.

Unto something called for “snowflake for learning” … that everyone is unique and we all need our unique environment to work with open resources.

He is saying searching is so passé and so 2006 … it should just be able to be found on your desk when you want something – such as getting recommended resources for you – and is mentioning his VLE blackboard to see how it should work.

He’s is talking about about tracking data and in particular they’re looking at property, mobility, economy and transparency and he wants that the tracking history should be able to be transferable between sites such as moving my tracking history from google to yahoo if I want to.

This is a lot more interesting than I thought. Question time!

Yishay from Knowledge Lab: Talking about that some of his colleagues feel reluctant to put their own papers on the internet because of copyright issues

Erik is saying he respects copyright issues but he wants to be able to share things with no hassle and if that means the university have to pay something to get rid of it – he doesn’t care – he just wants to use it without any hassle and thus moving out the problems of using materials for educational purposes …

He says he posts everything online – although according to other people he is breaking some laws and if there is some problem with the materials he would take it down … or if that is still a problem … well, then sue him (I think this is assertive aggressive stance)

Ellen: Do you refer to your IEEE when doing your courses (not sure if that is exactly what she is saying)?

Erik: Emphatically replies that he does … and tongue-in-cheek says that we all know our IEEE thing by heart.

He is saying that human-generated metadata is not as good because people are lazy and tend to accept the default and that the automated generated metadata is better.


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